How many cheateres are in the game?

[Brisul]

It just dawned on me that "cheateres" might be something else entirely. We've all been discussing cheaters this whole time while the author of the original post may have been talking about a whole different subject.

[lalatan]

I have come across numerous boards that have only been played 1 time, and only 1 word is played, a really big one which, of course, remains the best and longest word. All of these boards were played by the same person. I could be wrong, but I suspect they only have time to enter the letters into some kind of solver. I won't mention any names, but it rhymes with lalala.

MistMC, I don't know you and you don't know me. I've been playing Wordtwist boggle for almost 5 years now and so far I have played 68,000+ games under 4 different usernames. (I looked at your scorecard and you've played 3,000+ games in less than 2 years.) I doubt that you looked at my lalatan scorecard so to make it easy for you: I've played 44,000+ games, hold almost 5,000 4x4 best/longest word records and 27,000+ 5x5 records. For the last 3 years or so I have played the long word game exclusively, about 40,000 games worth. I know it may be hard for you to believe but I've become pretty good at it. I memorized all the 38+ pt words, read the best words competitions lists all the time, read dictionary lists etc. So far I've collected 49 gold trophies for avg pts/word competitions.

Onto the situation you mentioned: I like to keep my lalatan avg around 28 to 29 pts/word for the month. If I play a new game and find a good word, I won't play any other words that may move my average downward. I submit the game with 1 word played. I don't go looking for new games to play but will not refuse them if they are offered to me. (2 speed players seem to do that regularly but I don't think that's an ethical way to play, although not against the rules. For every game I've played there are at least an avg of 10-20 games that I clicked through after analyzing the games stats so I think I have a good feel for who's doing what.) That is precisely what I want to achieve each time I play: to find the best/longest word and have them remain so. And there are many others trying to do the same.

You wrote "I could be wrong, but I suspect they only have time to enter the letters into some kind of solver. I won't mention any names, but it rhymes with lalala." My questions for you are: why would you choose to slander me and my accomplishments if you "could be wrong?" Is that something you enjoy doing? Do you think I used a boggle solver for all 40k games or just for the ones you saw?

You are in fact DEAD WRONG!! The boggle solver I use to find words is my brain!! I find your allegation malicious, disgusting and devoid of any evidence.

[crazykate]

I'm getting tired of posts accusing people with realistically achievable scores of cheating... Even more so when the person who started the thread then scarpers, not even bothering to respond.

I have played this game with a number of different goals and tactics, because I'm not an outstanding player overall. I can achieve good scores on the 4x4 boards, but then I rarely find long words. On the 5x5 boards, I'm consistently below average if I try to find as many words as I can. I also miss the long words if I spend my time entering shorter words. If I don't attempt to type or swipe, just scanning the board for promising syllables or pre- or suffixes, I can usually find a good long word within the first minute. If I'm going for a high points-per-word average, if I find a 20+ letter word and it looks like it's the best-scoring word possible, I don't look for any other words and submit the game immediately.

As for lalatan: the accusation that he'd use up all the available time entering letters into a boggle solver is truly laughable. He's good enough at finding words that I'm sure his average playing time per game is 30 seconds at most. Which is just as well, because he probably uses a lot of time clicking the "load new random game" button until he finds a promising board.

Don't get me wrong, we do get cheaters in this game who actually do use bots. But they are easily recognisable because they achieve completely impossible results, like finding every word in every game. It's just that you've probably never encountered their scores because obvious cheaters do get banned sooner or later.

[kjambur]

I just select games where the best word is 15 and above and/or games that have been played less than 10 times and there are more than 15 8+ long words. The average number of words per game for me is usually less than 2. Have never had a problem finding long words.

[bwt1213]

There's something about Latin that sticks with you. I remember teaching an evening geometry class in a Community College, and one chapter in the text showed a full page of Euclid but written in Latin instead of Greek. It was actually germane to that chapter, too, so I entertained myself (and I hope, the class) by translating it for them. And that was more than 45 years since I had previously translated any Latin whatever. It's good it wasn't in Greek; while I can read the Greek letters and sound out the words, few of them have any meaning to me and I know practically nothing of Greek grammar. But at least I had Latin!

[John13verse34]

I've personally found all of the words cited in the original post, and I've never cheated in any way. As has been explained, it's usually a case of finding a base word and then adding suffixes and prefixes to get longer words... OVER + INTELLECTUAL +IZ(E) + ATION + S. And I pay attention to what the best words are on the boards I play and I try to expand my vocabulary of word stems and strategies.

I can't type fast, so I go instead for the longest and best-scoring words I can find, so I sometimes may find only one word no a board (or just a few). It's just a different way of playing.

[flops]

Allllsooo, wpm are calculated by characters typed, one word equalling 5 keystrokes (that includes punctuation, spaces, etc), so if you get on to three or four letter combos depending on which type of board you are playing, its quite feasible when you consider that some can type, by traditional count, in the traditional fashion, over 100wpm.

[flops]

I concur with Spike and mdyak, I just type as fast as I can, never really set records (except for maybe getting the cheapest therapy available, and anti oldtimers therapy), but even I have gotten the above words, working backwards from the endings...ie. logists, graphies, cally, lizations (and quite often, because I'm Australian, if the letters fall down right, I use the English spelling and the American spelling). Yaaay Me!

[mdyak]

If you can come up with words like this, you probably have a program that finds the words for you:

OVERINTELLECTUALIZATIONS (24), COMPARTMENTALIZATIONS (21), PHOTOLITHOGRAPHICALLY (21), FUZZYHEADEDNESSES (17) PSYCHOPHARMACOLOGISTS (21), ELECTROENCEPHALOGRAPHIES (24)

In the 4x4 how about 265 words in 120 seconds, that is .4 seconds a word 265 times. BS.
In the 5x5 how about 305 words in 180 seconds, that is .59 seconds a word 305 times. BS.

You obviously haven't been playing this game very long! I have come up with ALL these words - on my own, thank you very much. Maybe it's because I'm 74 years old so date back to a time when people had big vocabularies and learned how to spell and took Latin in high school. Seriously, one reason these words are actually easy to find is because they show up over and over and over again on this site. There are actually 8 24-letter words, and I don't know about other people, but I'm getting bored with them. I'm getting tired of words ending in "nesses" - none of them anything anyone I know has ever used in conversation. There are so many more possibilities in the English language, and I have no idea why they have been banned (though heaven knows there are certainly no sexual words allowed!). Keep playing, and you'll find all these words too, over and over and over... without cheating!!

[mdyak]

I agree with Spike. You need to understand that each person playing these boards is actually playing their own version of this game. Some people are going for quantity - points and most number of words. Others find the challenge in just finding the one best word, as you pointed out. I personally like to look for games that have been only played a few times, have a lot of 9+ words and nobody has gotten over an 8 letter word so far. I also enjoy new games but only if there are 9+ words. Each person does what is most enjoyable for them.

[Spike1007]

I have come across numerous boards that have only been played 1 time, and only 1 word is played, a really big one which, of course, remains the best and longest word. All of these boards were played by the same person. I could be wrong, but I suspect they only have time to enter the letters into some kind of solver. I won't mention any names, but it rhymes with lalala.

I'm pretty sure that anybody here who goes for longest/best words will tell you that you're wrong. I'll also take one great word on unplayed boards. (That's the only way I ever get highest score or most words records, but those go away.) "lalala" was going for long words before I ever joined, and plays a lot more than I do. He's definitely good enough that using a boggle solver or something would be a lot more trouble for him than just finding the words.

[walden123]

I recently played a game where the longest word was EQUATORIALS (24 pts). I got it as well, but I was the first one to get EQUATOR, let alone EQUATORIAL.

[Naboka]

305 words, 5x5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fp82lNTXUM

The 256 words was achieved last month. These are the highest recorded words games for 4x4 and 5x5 that I know of. It occurred through much toil and time.

I've watched one of your videos, pausing constantly, trying to get a feel for how you systematize finding the words. I noticed that you don't hit common 3 letter word combinations as a group. How do you order and prioritize? Maybe this is like asking a painter how they paint, when it's simply lots of practice and intuition. But, hey, I'm always willing to steal a few hints from anyone who's better at something than I am. (ps: I realize this is an off topic question, but I've never been able to stay on topic. Maybe that's my difficulty with the game--an inability to stay focused.)

[MistMyChance]

I have come across numerous boards that have only been played 1 time, and only 1 word is played, a really big one which, of course, remains the best and longest word. All of these boards were played by the same person. I could be wrong, but I suspect they only have time to enter the letters into some kind of solver. I won't mention any names, but it rhymes with lalala.

[MegaWord]

305 words, 5x5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fp82lNTXUM

The 256 words was achieved last month. These are the highest recorded words games for 4x4 and 5x5 that I know of. It occurred through much toil and time.