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Some words are not logical that they were found in only 3 minutes. DINITROPHENYLHYDRAZINES is definitely one of those. Rules would be nice.
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If you know the rules for naming chemical compounds, something like the word you found is actually straightforward. And there are chemists, biochemists, medical professionals and their ilk playing this game. -
A lot of the long word enthusiasts specifically look for words like this. And with most long words, they are made up of components like Lego bricks, and once you've found one, you know where the others might fit. "Phenyl" is always a good one, as is "methyl".Originally posted by Troglodyte View PostComment
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Logic is always predicated on what one knows. One has to have bits of knowledge to string together for coherent understandng. And some of those bits might not even be evident, such as that the Earth revolves around the sun and that the Earth is round. It would not be logical to a member of some remote tribe that a person could throw switches in the middle of the night and produce the light one sees in stadiums. A teenager failing math in Pittsburg would just take it for granted, wouldn't even think twice about it.
Words are obviously just language. What you suggest is similar to an American claiming that Germans can't possibly string together some of the preposterously long words they do. Hearing that claim, two Germans would just look at each other and shrug. Americans.
Chemical terminology is simply incomprehensible to the vast majority of people. But, there are lots of people who speak it as fluently as an average sophomore reads a children's book.
Di-nitro-phenyl-hydrazines doesn't strike me as a particulary hard find. My bet is that some of the seasoned longword players would find it in less than a minute. And with the way human minds can work, it's possible someone can "find" it without even stringing all those pieces together "logically." The word would just "magically" appear to them.
Many of the long words I find are educated guesses that don't even depend on linking the pieces visually. They just appear in my mind and I type them. Sort of a sophisticated version of someone asking you your name and you not having to think about stringing the letters or sounds together to tell them--you just know. And just as you can know something as simple as your name, you can know extremely complex streams of information.Last edited by Naboka; Yesterday, 10:05 AM.Comment
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Oops! Another reason to avoid posting.Originally posted by crazykate View Post
Thanks for the editorial clarification. I had just gotten up, read the originating post, dashed off a reply because it piqued my curiosity. I've been super busy, so didn't bother to proofread and catch such an obvious blunder.
After playing Wordtwist for so many years, my mind automatically starts calculating possible rearrangements. For part of my mind, the nitro was loud and clear as an element while pronouncing the entire word, but in another part of my mind, the possiblities for dini intrigued me. Dino and dinos always give me a microrush of pleasure to play, so could there be a dini in something else? Don't know and have no time to explore it. Such a brief distraction and ...
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For example, about just guessing the word without actually seeing or finding it. Lalatan already had the longest/best word, but his score indicated that -izations was in play. I saw the sp and the oid so simply predicted spheroidizations. Took about 10 seconds to get it, type it and add the singular. Because this demonstrated what I was talking about, I took a screen grab and dumped the game.
I would guess that a lot of experienced players do this type of extrapolation from found elements rather than connecting the dots letter to letter to letter.
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I figured it was a typo. I hate when I do that. Spheroidizations! That is a good one.Originally posted by Naboka View PostComment
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I think Lalatan once said he could find 50 best words in a day--seems miraculous and takes more than just rules and logic! It's like a chess master finding the saving move in a single glance at a complicated position. Rules and logic fundamentally apply in a deterministic activity, but to excel under time pressure, the process, like in AI, becomes a black box, with output that seems miraculous but is no longer deterministic and fully guaranteeable. Neuroplasticity and training (say 10,000 hours), a large valid training set, and other factors (dedication, motivation, ...) become important as well as rules and logic in order to achieve top level results under time pressure.Comment
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